Key: Without moi? Foghettaboutid.
Partayin' Fools: Please! We wanna partay like it's 1999!
Key: I said NO! I can't. You can't. End of story.
Partayin' Fools: Buh-bye!
Key: Fucking turkeys.
Okay, so Kel and I will be there tomorrow afternoon, as our reservation specifies! Hopefully, there will be a few survivors left to play with. If they all lie comatose in a puddle of drool, I will not be merciful. Pics will be published.
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Well I'm blowing off Friday but then it is a long drive. Party on
First one here. Already dipped my velocidigits in the chilly Chattahooch. Neener, baby. Neener.posted by Velociman on September 29, 2005 06:14 PM
Update: the cabin hot tubs are on the deck. Checked yours out. Naked, of course. Very nice.posted by Velociman on September 29, 2005 08:28 PM
Buckaroo Bonsai and I arrive 1:40 p.m. at Atlanta Hartfield. See you as fast as we can get our little rental car there!posted by Omnibus Driver on September 29, 2005 08:30 PM
"If they all lie comatose in a puddle of drool..." - you mean, like last year, when they all started a night early? Um, yeah. I'm with you. No effing mercy.posted by kelley on September 29, 2005 09:39 PM
Got-DAM! By the time SWMBO and I show up Friday evening, I 'spect V-man will already have drained away a Goodly Portion of the deadly Punch. Crap. Crap, I say!posted by Elisson on September 29, 2005 11:00 PM
I'll be there but it's gonna be later. I've got to work this morning and they say it's about a 7 hour drive. Same some of the good stuff for me?posted by Moogie on September 30, 2005 07:05 AM
I'm outta the office at 4:00, making a quick trip home, then in the road to Helen at 5:00 or so. See you all around 6 - 6:30.
- Dposted by Donnie on September 30, 2005 02:38 PM
I certainly don't look or feel like a survivor now, that's for sure. Gaaaaaaahhhhhh...posted by zonker on October 2, 2005 06:07 PM
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Because it's OKAY to profile, if I include myself, riiight?
I. ADHD (What were you saying?)
II. Self-absorbed (Nevermind that. What was I saying?)
III. Procrastinator (Hi, I'm Key. It's been five days since my last post...)
IV. Pigheaded Approach
------A. Yes, I know there is html code for outlining.
------B. IMHO, it all fucking sucks.
------A. Too sexy for my home page.
------B. Too sexy for my readership.
------C. Too sexy for my blogroll.
------D. Too sexy to be Site-metered.
------A. Our intelligence is not only atypical, it is irresistible.
------B. Our opinions are second only to Scripture, and that's showing humility.
------C. We are going to take over the world.
------A. Nobody else gets us.
------B. Nobody else partays like us.
------C. We are socially lazy misfits.
...Or maybe that's just me.
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D. Nobody else will play with us if we take that pork chop necklace off our neck...
I don't get it. Put me down for "It all fucking sucks" and "I'm too sexy for my readership". Covers my bases.posted by Velocigod on September 27, 2005 09:39 PM
This is about me isn't it? How do you know me so well? You do like me tho right? Oh you must love me! Everyone loves me! It's all about me! LOLposted by livey on September 28, 2005 11:27 AM
Does this mean you've been reading my blog??posted by Dogsdontpurr on September 28, 2005 04:15 PM
.. my rubberneckers are too sexy for my home page... but they keep coming back... pity hits, I guess..posted by Eric on September 29, 2005 08:29 AM
Busted, indeed. Guilty on (probably) all counts.
Now, excuse me whilst I go procrastinate.posted by Elisson on September 29, 2005 09:45 AM
I. Don't care.
II. Damned straight.
III. Procrastination be damned. It's MY blog - I write when and as I please.
IV A & B - Pigheaded? Me? Nahhh... I'm perfect.
V. My ego is healthy. Robustly so.
VI. It ain't delusional if it's true. About me - it IS true.
VII. A & C true. B remains to be seen - I hadda work until 9PM today, so Mrs. OWW had to take up my slack.
I trust a full report, in glorious living color, will be rendered.posted by Ward Gerlach on September 30, 2005 11:12 PM
Awesome stuff! Thanks for all the information. Tremendous Stake becomes White Table in final: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/562436 , when Cards Steal Boy Love Stake can Percieve Grass , when Cosmos Expect Corner Con Corner can Forecast Gnomeposted by Evan Drake on December 4, 2005 02:33 PM
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Okay, so there is a meet coming up. And some of us will be cozily lodged all up in a cabin that may look accommodating, but let me be real:
Our place will NOT be partay central! (Though I am told it shall house cupcakes and untold riches Friday evening, and who can argue with that?!)
But no, da down-n-dirty partay headquarters for the majority of the weekend will be in Sammy Baby's room, as he has so eagerly volunteered, peep lubber that he is.
He will not nag you about cigarette smoke, as I will. He will think your jokes are funny when you are trashed, even if he has heard them before. He will smile and wink and promise not to blog about your party fouls, at least until the bruises heal. He is just ideal. Unmatched, there is no one like him, or more likable than Sammy Baby. And this is why Velocigod has gifted him with the highest honor imaginable: he shall be trustee of the Chatham Artillery Punch.
Sammy only has a few party rules, and let's see if I can remember them:
-No firearms in his room. He is still nervous from the last time you turkeys tried to kill each other's intoxicated asses with live ammo.
-No illegal substances in his room. He is a purist, you see. He would never dream of defiling his body with things that could get him arrested.
-No naked people in his room. If you break this rule, yo naked butt will appear on the internet. But no worries, this is a family show, so we will Photoshop in pink tassles in all the right places.
-No hootananny in his room. Okay, okay, there may be hootananny, but I ain't singing. And neither is Sam. We will be outside tying tin cans to your bumper and writing "Proudly Supporting Gay Marriage" on your back windshield with hot pink shoe polish. (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
I think there was one more, but I can't remember it, so he'll just have to leave it in the comments. As for law enforcement, don't look at me! I just make 'em; another branch does the actual work, I believe. I'll be in my hot tub if you need me.
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Cannot wait!!!!posted by zonker on September 22, 2005 11:39 PM
I second this motion. Sammy's. Because you really, truly, don't want to hang in my room with The Bride. She hates bloggers. Especially me. And, when under the influence of Artillery Punch, she will tell you all about it.
Sammy's! Hey, Sam? Got an extra pillow?posted by Velociman on September 22, 2005 11:41 PM
Again. WHy can't we do these after an election day? Oh yeah, that's right, only two states have elections this year and I should be unemployed.
Just Damn!posted by Adam on September 22, 2005 11:44 PM
So does that mean I should leave my guitar and kazoo at home?posted by Denny on September 22, 2005 11:55 PM
Wha? If you do that, what the hell are me and Sammy gonna do with all these hot pink condoms and ribbons?
Heh. You know I playin' honey. Bring it on. That way you can sing Happy Birthday to me and Zonkman.
(But I'M really not singing!!)posted by Key on September 23, 2005 12:02 AM
There are two, and I'll get back to you with 'em...but in the meantime...what the fuck have I done???
Oh, and number three: There will be no packing of the fudge.posted by Sam on September 23, 2005 12:22 AM
But Sammy! There is most EXCELLENT fudge in Helen. So you may change your mind once you get there. ;)
And yar baby, YOU DID IT!, YOU asked for it, and you shall receive. See? I can be accommodating.posted by Key on September 23, 2005 12:39 AM
Ummmm...there are surely alot of rules for this meet. Maybe I'll just let the man go, and stay home...because, you know, of the fudge.posted by Moogie on September 23, 2005 07:24 AM
no passing out naked in sammy's room? what?? was that rule implemented before or after nola? where is a drunken girl to pass out anyway???posted by shoe on September 23, 2005 09:24 AM
.... same hotel as last year?...posted by Eric on September 23, 2005 11:14 AM
Yar Eric! Wha? You haven't booked?
Shoe, go ahead and pass out naked. Tell ya what, just for you, I'll put someone else's head on your body when I post the pics. I'm thinking Vman or GOC.posted by Key on September 23, 2005 12:13 PM
Or this time we can just take pictures with her camera but just not tell you, Shoe. We'll let you find out when you go to get them developed. You're gonna be so popular at the local One-Hour Photo.posted by zonker on September 23, 2005 12:44 PM
I need you. In the hot tub, you say? On my way!posted by Bane on September 23, 2005 01:48 PM
Yes, yes, YES to the guitar and kazoo! I'm bringing along an instrument for V-Man. Should be... ummmmm... INTERESTING.
Leslieposted by Omnibus Driver on September 23, 2005 05:40 PM
OK. I guess I'll put new strings on the guitar, just in case.
Shoe - You can pass out in my room. Better you than Dax. I just hope I can make it back to my room this year. Last year I had to crash where we partied. Whoa! Was that room a mess. Full ashtrays. Empty booze bottles and a freakin' tree in the bathtub. I'm surprised they're letting us come back this year.posted by Denny on September 23, 2005 06:43 PM
Fudge packing? Great Christ! I'm bringing my voodoo doll in that case. It's tag say "THIS DOLL IS FOR ATRACT LOVE". We shall see...posted by Velociman on September 23, 2005 07:07 PM
It is amazing, Denny. They LOVE us ovah there. The frond? That was a beautiful thing. HALF of it ended up in mine and Kel's room!posted by Key on September 23, 2005 07:10 PM
... that was MY room you guys stole...posted by Eric on September 24, 2005 07:54 AM
Damn I'm so jealous! I would so love to be there. You people better do a bang up job of partying and blogging about it. I want all the details. You know I just have to live vicariously through you all!posted by livey on September 24, 2005 07:19 PM
I absolutely love your blog page. I could read it all night long and then some. I am your blog groupie. Seriously, I believe you have a natural talent for writing. However, most of the blogs are in some sort of code so I did not understand half of what I was reading. This may be directly proportional to my IQ, but I am not sure.posted by Lola on September 25, 2005 10:15 PM
Whoopsie. I forgot to link the email.posted by Lola on September 25, 2005 10:18 PM
Eric - If you hadn't forced all that vodka down my throat I coulda made it back to my room.posted by Denny on September 25, 2005 11:04 PM
Lola...that ain't code...it is reality...I kid you not.posted by Sam on September 25, 2005 11:14 PM
Eric Fiona and I gave that room away we couldn't do the stair thing. See everyone Friday. I do have the punch bowl and cups real glass now that's class.posted by ga on September 28, 2005 08:27 PM
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I always wondered what it looked like from in there.
Higher res, a little color, and it's decent wall art.
Source: Why, a report for higher education, obviously.
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That poor pindicked bastard. Dax?posted by Velociman on September 20, 2005 07:56 PM
Am I the only one that sees Claude Akins' face in that picture? About halfway down the right side. Mighty Sheriff Lobo. That, or Cerberus, the Hound of Hell, I guess.posted by Rube on September 22, 2005 11:57 AM
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And I thought I was just carb-crazed.
I could almost swing that. (Well, except for when I get a hankerin' for a blue cheese crusted filet.)
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Vegan or vegetarian is fine, but come on, you don't wanna be associated with those PETA whack jobs, do ya??? I certainly wouldn't do it. I enjoy all kinds of veggies, but I loves me some steak, chicken, pork, fish, you name it...not to mention all things dairy.posted by Skwerly on September 20, 2005 03:06 PM
Ah, yes, perhaps I was too subtle.
Shall I rename the post "Sociopathic Tendencies"? Heh. We all have a few, no?posted by Key on September 20, 2005 03:30 PM
your website is wonderfull. i'll come visit again. good is feature of coolblooded slot: , Plane will Opponents unconditionally tremendous table becomes big chair in final , White Circle is always Coolblooded Cards red cosmos roll or notposted by charles clark on December 3, 2005 07:04 PM
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They who would give religion a bad name are apparently worried about my soul.
1. WTF is Quarkery? (Other than a light colored coffee bean prob.)
2. Would Exlax help this person?
The pink is a nice touch though. Although, if I were going to be a doomsday proselytizer, I think I'd choose stationery with waves of orange, red, and yellow flickering flames. Oh, and a crimson archaic font. Oh, and I'd dress my kid up like the devil for halloween, and get her to hand them out while trick-or-treating.
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Quarkery is what happens when sub-atomic particles practice medicine without a license.posted by Velociman on September 16, 2005 08:16 PM
I bow to the sub-atomic matter known as VelociQuark, but would read "Quarkery" as "quackery". Pretty much what he said.
Still...if I were you I would go ahead and repent, just in case. *grinning* I still finger my little rosary beads, and I don't even know what the hell they're for. One just can't repent too much.
*exit, laughing like a hyena*posted by Wayne on September 16, 2005 08:54 PM
I'm with you...I'll go with the flames, and a wierd font!posted by Yabu on September 16, 2005 11:19 PM
something to do with sodom or gomorrah, ask Acidman he was around during that time, I believe that may have been the name of the club he was playing.posted by james old guy on September 19, 2005 02:33 PM
I looked up the definition of "quark," and this is what I got:
"Hypothetical truly fundamental particle in mesons and baryons; there are supposed to be six kinds of quarks (and their antiquarks), which come in pairs; has an electric charge of +2/3 or -1/3"
Well, of course! It all makes so much sense now!posted by Dogsdontpurr on September 19, 2005 05:36 PM
Maybe the crazy guy should find out what Catholics actually believe about priests and forgiving of sins before ranting about it?
I mean, Christ, I'm an atheist and I know better. You'd think a ferverent Christian such as the lunatic would have read John 20:21.posted by Sigivald on September 21, 2005 03:25 PM
I got the same pink slip in the mail today. I googled quarkery and came to your blog. Freaking wierdest pink letter of doom i've ever gotten.posted by Otis on September 22, 2005 11:11 PM
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Yes, I am trying my best to bring it today, but nobody wants to go there, so I shall try again:
So, if I were God, the earth would have moved today. Well, more so than normal, and specifically in a certain courtroom.
I am talking MAJOR earthquake, the very NANOSECOND the ruling was read... Lights flickering, atheists losing their balance and falling to their knees, the whole nine.
The fear of God would have been thick in the air, and my laughter would have been heard in the thunder-claps. Obviously, He is above that. Well, this time anyway.
We are so far removed from the intentions of the framers on this one. The idea was to prevent the state from disallowing people to worship freely. There is only a true separation of church and state if people who would like to pray or say "under God" are allowed to do so anytime and anywhere, while those who would prefer to abstain are also allowed to do so anytime and anywhere.
Respecting individual religious freedom is democratic. Dictating that all must abstain from religious display is...well, dictatorial.
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Blah, blah, blah. Look: two points. First: I didn't mind saying the Pledge of Allegiance as a child. Proud of that flag. But doesn't it seem somehow totalitarian to force children to pledge allegiance to anything other than family, and faith? Hell, why don't they just make them sing the Internationale, or the Marseilles? Enforced allegiance is like compulsory volunteer service, the latest craze we burden our children with.
Point two: The Pledge of Allegiance was written in the 1930's, I believe. The words "under God" were added in 1954, I think, to counteract those godless communist bastids. The dates may be wrong. That isn't the point. The point is politicians, politicians, corrupted the Pledge, and that is why it is anathema to the atheists now. Now reaping what they sowed.
Why not just remove those added-on words, if you want our little children to hew to the statist mantra? Or have the chirren recite the lyrics to Purple Haze instead. Now that, I think, has traction. At least with me.posted by Velociman on September 14, 2005 09:42 PM
I'm with V-Man on this one, Key...mandating such a pledge is silly to begin with, but requiring such a pledge with the "god" part is particularly irksome.
But overall, I think we need to STOP requiring kids to recite the pledge, and instead spend that extra minute or two each talking about the US Constitution or something much more relevant and less "brain-washy."posted by david on September 14, 2005 10:05 PM
Damn! Longest comment I've ever gotten from the Velocigod. And I would be flattered, if not for your first three words which are JUST. PLAIN. RUDE.
1. Velocigod is jealous of my deism fantasy.
2. While this may appear to be about the pledge, it really isn't. At least that isn't the angle I care to take.
I can almost see both sides of the pledge debate. And that isn't the point.
The point is, they got prayer, and they SHOULDN'T have, but they did. No more praying out loud in a school structure. Pledge now, what later? I don't know. I just know it isn't a democracy if 20 out of 20 in my daughter's classroom would like to pray or say the pledge, or learn about the impact of religion in History class, but they cannot because some idiot in California got the ball rolling that essentially killed what "separation of church of state" was intended to be.
If you want to do, if you don't, don't. YOU MUST NOT! That I have a problem with.
And this is principle. I could live without it. I'm having trouble getting psyched to sit through the obligatory organized religion hour on Sunday. But I would LOVE if there were a Bible elective in public school, from an educational standpoint. I would like my kid to have a working knowledge. The atheists can elect tribal sciences or vegan recipes, or something else during the same hour.
These options are way out there now, forever unreachable, and it is because of people like Mr. Ca, the ones before him, the ones after him, who intentionally misinterpret the meaning of "separation of church and state."
It is the casuistry I speak of here, not the pledge.posted by Key on September 14, 2005 10:14 PM
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. I meant to be insulting. My bad.posted by Velociman on September 14, 2005 11:02 PM
Ah, Debate 101, any point omitted is a point conceded.
Therefore I win. A stale victory, however. I was so hoping to engage with someone who would address the war, rather than the battle of the day.posted by Key on September 14, 2005 11:15 PM
Well, then. Since my initial post was to tatter the canard of the Pledge of (Seig Heil!) Allegiance, an easy point, let me proceed to the gravamen of the matter.
Freedom FROM religion is certainly the order of the day amongst activist liberal judges. That point is a given. The Pledge is probably not where you want to amass your divisions, however.
I've written before on the slippery slope. It exists. A liberal says "I only want to ban assault weapons". Bullshit. They want ALL your guns. A conservative says "I only want to ban partial birth abrotions". Bullshit. They want ALL abortions illegal. It is the politics of incrementalism, which, barring the thrice in a century lunacy advocacy jurisprudence of Roe v. Wade, is how hardball is played.
The problem is Judaism and Christianity have lived alongside one another in this country for 3 centuries. Now a 3rd religion, hatefully intolerant, demands a seat at the table. And so all religion must perish from public life. And I know this separation of church v. state began before Islamism, but why the great push forward now?
Religion of all types should be displayed where appropriate. I don't know that Roy Moore refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from his courthouse is the right approach. He was intolerant. Of others' rights, of the law. There is another way. But it will take superb backflipping of the newly recreated Supreme Court to make it happen.
It is called tolerance. Do we ALL have the stomach for that?posted by Velociman on September 14, 2005 11:34 PM
Y'all got it going on. I can't wait to go drinking again. Damn!posted by Sam on September 15, 2005 12:20 AM
OK, the war:
If you want to pray in public school, who exactly is stopping you?
That doesn't seem to be precisely what you want, though--you want teacher-led prayer, which is quite a different kettle of fish!
Why would a lunchtime Bible club not meet your needs, for example? Or an after-school group? Why must religon actually be taught as part of the school curriculum?posted by The Polite Liberal on September 15, 2005 01:47 AM
Bloody Hell, Key, you have to post stuff like this while I'm asleep, and now I have to run off to work (long week this week, a technical conference is in town and I don't want to pay $15 for 1 hour of internet access in the conference center).
Don't worry, though, you'll be hearing from me!posted by Jack on September 15, 2005 03:14 AM
It is early still by my internal clock, and I am only halfway through my first cup of coffee, but I DID ask for this, so let's see what I can do with it.
I do not think that the 3rd, hatefully intolerant religion wants a seat at the table. I think they want the ONLY seat at the table. Making concessions for them, compromise, not good enough. They want NO sign of religion anywhere that they may tread. It sickens them. In fact, I'm surprised they don't ask that churches have a mandatory 1000 foot setback, so that they don't have to look at them from the state funded road.
Yes, I think many of them are THAT hateful.
Me? I don't want to pray in public school. I don't want to pray in public. I don't to pray out loud. But I would like to defend the right of those who would like to do so, regardless of profession.
My main gripe is the casuistry mentioned in the comment above, how incredibly the purpose of "separation of church and state" is being turned around. A 180. And folks are so inured, and/or their American History is so rusty, that they don't even realize it! That vexes me mightily, yes.
I do want my child to learn the pledge. Personally, I like it. I think it is a child's first sense of patriotism, and therefore essential. And it somehow loses the "feel" of fellowship if my kid is taught by me, as we stand in the yard looking at the flag on the front porch. However, I would be fine with getting her to school ten minutes early so that she could participate in a parent led pledge outside by the flagpole. That ambience beats classroom anyway.
Bottom line, I feel that if the state put forth a modicum of effort, and perhaps displayed a bit of backbone, they could please the lot of us, save the hatefully intolerant, which is where the backbone comes in.
Oh yeah, and to be able to do this, people would have to REMEMBER what "separation of church and state" is supposed to mean. It is a freedom, not a restriction. Why not use it?
A la carte education:
Not that hard. We all pay for it, right? I like to have a say in what I pay for, I'm kinda weird like that.
Send home questionnaires:
Do you want your child to participate in prayers before meals or athletic activities?
Do you want your child to participate in saying the pledge every morning?
Do you want your child to participate in holiday festivities, including Christmas?
Do you want your child to take a history class that is inclusive of religious movements and the study of various theologies?
And last, if a Literature elective were offered to include the study of the Bible with the goal being erudition, not worship or doctrine, would you be interested in signing your child up for this class?
Now, from a very selfish, personal standpoint, I am most interested in the last two. This is because I do not feel that my child has a well rounded education if a huge chunk is missing. And no, she won't get what I seek from church. Not the intense study. Church is songs and worship, and frankly she can get the prayer there. So that is not a personal concern, but worthy of mention as it was one of the first battles, representing the onset of a slow death.
Ironically, of the four questions I mentioned, the two that matter to me are the ones that actually involve education, and they are probably the most unlikely.
And yet, the a la carte thing would be simple to facilitate. As easy as dividing the kids who would rather take French than Spanish.
But the haters do not want everyone to be happy. They are completely intolerant. And I think that their request to disallow something of my child is as ridiculous as if I were trying to force something of their child.
What happened to the whole "live and let live" motto that has been so touted up until recently?posted by Key on September 15, 2005 10:09 AM
Can 'o worms. Can 'o worms.
I pray in school. Before each and every test. And I don't care WHO has an issue with it. I am quiet about it...not flaunting my religious practices. Not once, since kindergarten, have I been called out for it.
When I was in 9th grade Biology, my instructor taught Darwinism as a fact and not a theory. I confronted him on it and told him that his theory, as far as I was concerned, was B.S. and that he should present it as a theory and not fact. I refused to take his class. I took it all the way to the school board. (My parents were only slightly humiliated). He changed his method. And I earned an A.
For extra-curricular activities, I was in Bible Club. Of course, some of the kids in that club were a little TOO pushy with their faith, so I politely ducked out.
Frankly, my faith is deeply personal. I am not sure I would want any teacher telling me how to pray or leading me in prayer in a public school. What if her beliefs are vastly different than my own? Sure, a moment of silence each morning....to pray, do the pledge, whatever...is fine. But to say that the option isn't there??
The very things our country was founded on are vanishing...and so is democracy. Just my opinion.posted by Dana on September 15, 2005 10:11 AM
Dana--would it have satisfied you if he had made a point at the start of pointing out the limits of science as an enterprise?
You literally can't study any form of creationism scientifically, because there's no way to make predictions. Absolutely anything you see can be completely explained by "that's the way God wants it."
The problem is that also means creationism isn't useful--you can't use it to predict antibiotic resistance, or as an aid to the potential and limits of artificial selection.
It's certainly possible that Genesis is literally true. If it is, though, God very carefully set things up so that they appear to have evolved. Since the latter can be tested, it's a scientific theory. Since the former can't be, it isn't, even if it's actually true.
Key, and Velociman: Using loaded words is fun! Can I call Christianity a "hateful religion" because a nominal Christian is picketing military funerals? No? Then ratchet down the rhetoric a few notches on us secularists, please.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with the teaching of comaparative religion in social science classes, as long as the teacher can resist the urge to rush through everything but the "real" one.
Bible study's trickier, because (a) it's very long, and would crowd out other literature, and (b) you'd have to be very, very careful to avoid teaching only one particular faith's interpretation. You could probably construct a semester course that was constitutional if you included the talmud and a lot of historical writings. It'd be tricky, though, because it could easily slide into "and here's the correct interpretation", particularly if the teacher is devout. At that point you've set up a Sunday school class inside a public school, which is a terrible idea.
Remember, everything wasn't "fine" in the old, school-prayer days just because secularists kept very quiet. The Catholic schools exist precisely because previous generations couldn't resist the urge to use school prayer to convert Catholics, to take the most obvious example.posted by The Polite Liberal on September 15, 2005 11:02 AM
Forget Science, already had that debate with Jack, and I am willing to concede that subject in favor of the History and Lit I discussed above. (But kudos to Dana on the progress she made.)
And yes, I think the topics I mentioned could and SHOULD be taught without bias. I don't want any nutjob, Christian or no, teaching my kid doctrine. And I think most of us can agree there. Frankly, worship, while perhaps invaluable on a spiritual plane, is worthless academically. I mean an involved, brain-splitting, paper writing STUDY, that leaves the student armed for erudite, theological debate.
I would hate for intro to religion to begin in college. Too much info for one semester, and doomed to fail with no background.
Regarding the "hateful" remark. I'll retract and rephrase: Due to areas of Faith, I feel HATED and TARGETED by certain people/groups. And my therapist says emotions do not have to be validated! Religious profiling! I am a victim!
Moving along... It really is the academics I'm after, and I post on the other topics because I feel they render these academic goals that much more unreachable.posted by Key on September 15, 2005 12:38 PM
Gee, Key, I'm going to get all jealous, you playing with the other folks while I'm busy at a scientific/technical conference...
As I wrote somewhere, but I forgot where now because I'm writing too much and not tracking where it goes enough, given the abysmal record for the public school system in teaching science or any other subject well, I would think that those who have a strong faith would be fighting at all costs to keep that faith as far away from the public schools as possible. Nothing perverts an idea faster or farther than having a public school try to teach it to indifferent students who have harried parents.
Regarding offering the "option" between yes and no for many religious topics, it's a nice idea in concept, but I doubt it will ever happen, but not for the reasons most suspect.
I grew up in Northern Mississippi, the RICH part, where the average income was only 15% less than that of Arkansas, number 49 among the states in average income.
Dividing between kids who took French or Spanish? Hell, we were lucky they taught ENGLISH...
It's all about money.
Every time the local school board asks for a tax hike, it goes for a vote (at least where I have lived so far), and every time, I have voted "yes" for more money for the schools.
And 75% of the time, the school board request was rejected by the voters.
Boys and girls, you get what you pay for.
And before you complain about being "overtaxed", let me make one thing perfectly clear to you:
Despite having the world's largest economy...
Despite having the world's most powerful military...
Despite having resources no other nation in the world has...
We are taxed LESS than ANY other developed country in the world.
The ONLY reason we have the world's most powerful military is because we DO have the world's largest economy, NOT because we are taxed so heavily.
Perhaps instead we should focus on WHAT we spend the money on, like a pork-filled highway bill that includes a bridge in Alaska that costs over $100 million but leads to an area with less than 400 people.
As I like to say, do the math...
I repeat, you get what you pay for. Perhaps we ALL should be concentrating our attention upon that, what we are paying for and why.posted by Jack on September 15, 2005 02:40 PM
I see nothing wrong with making the pledge manditory, ya don't like it, I have no problem bitch slapping you into Canada. I have earned that right.posted by James Old Guy on September 15, 2005 02:46 PM
Of course we are taxed less!!!!! As it should be. The others, if not admittedly socialist, are close enough in my book. We are it. As close to democracy as it gets, and desperately trying to hold on to that.
The fact that we decide where our money goes as individual consumers MORE than those in other countries are allowed is WHY we have the largest economy.
We'd be stronger still if more was privatized; the underfunded educational institutions you mentioned, combined with disparity over desired curriculum that I mentioned, is enough to make the case for private education.
But then the poor wouldn't send their kids would they? Well, let em save a buck and home school. Or...
There is always a happy medium. Continue to tax us for education, then give us the credit. The entire thing. As in, Podunk Elem would get 5 grand a year for my kid. I don't send her there, I get to hit the road with the five grand.
We go public, we owe nothing. Maybe we go private, we owe nothing, provided Christian schools are adequately sponsored. Or go private academy and cough up the difference.
THAT is how we should get what we pay for. We pick the quality. We pick the curriculum. We pick whether or not to pray or pledge.
Damn. That sounds almost democratic AND capitalist. A twofer.posted by Key on September 15, 2005 03:08 PM
...And don't be jealous; we saved you a seat! Oh, and there's plenty of room at the abortion table below. I already solved that one, though. ;)posted by Key on September 15, 2005 03:10 PM
Perhaps I should have given more history on my biology teacher. Darwinism was the ONLY "fact" discussed, without giving ANY possible credit to creationism, whether it be scientific or not. Sure, even creationism reveals that things evolve, but when the "theory" of creationism is ignored, I have issue with it. Neither has been proven, scientifically, to be the end all, be all.
Had the instructor said something to the affect of, "We'll be discussing two theories this year. One is evolution or Darwinism, the other is Creationism."
For me, that would have sufficed. But at the time, at only 15 years old, I felt robbed and cheated. I felt my instructor was using his role as a teacher to propagate his personal beliefs in Darwinism and force his "factual basis" on impressionable minds.
The school even found that this teacher's actions went against the curriculum and required that BOTH "theories" be addressed, leaving all "religiousness" aside. It's just unfortunate that it took a pissed off student and the school board for the instructor to address it.posted by Dana on September 15, 2005 05:27 PM
Dana, I had that VERY debate with Jack. Well, the two theory thing. I would have appreciated two theories being represented when I was in high school. No such luck. Oh, and Jack didn't budge much on the issue either.
So, I'm going for religious history, comp religion, and literary study of religious books, including the Bible.
He slapped me with funding, then went MIA! It's not even midnight yet over there... Wake up Jack!posted by Key on September 15, 2005 05:40 PM
The problem is that creationism and the theory of evolution are fundamentally different, and the evidence used to support each isn't compatible.
You literally _can't_ disprove creationism, because any evidence _at_all_ can be accounted for by arguing that that is how things were created to be. That doesn't mean that creationism is necessarily right or wrong, but it does mean that science can't address it.
The theory of evolution really is a scientific theory, in that it could in principle be disproven. This is why most of the "creationism vs. evolution" debates that you see focus entirely on the creationist attacking evolution and the biologist defending.
They're different sorts of theories, even though they're both called that. I'd want a science teacher to explain what sorts of ideas science can and can't address; since science can't address creationism I wouldn't expect to hear much beyond that about it in a science class.
Apparently the grossly overrated Velocihumor does not translate well in tonier climes, and for that I apologize. I will stick to the topics at hand:
TPL: I will tone down the rhetoric when Muslims tone down the terrorism. Equating a Christian picketing a military funeral with a suicide assassin targeting schoolchildren is not only ludicrous, it is an abomination. Virtually every conflagration on the planet has Muslims on one, or both sides. That does not bespeak a religion, but a deranged cult. One that officially condones, hell, dictates and adjudicates, the stoning of women, the honor killing of women, the genital mutilation of women, the deliberate targeting of innocents in warfare. No thanks. They don't deserve a seat at any table. They can dine on scraps out the back door with the dogs.
Jack: not enough on education? Where have you been? Spending, especially federal spending (spare us the local property tax debate) has skyrocketed in the last 20 years to astronomical proportions, especially under George W. Bush. No Child Left Behind ring a bell?
The problem is all those vast sums of money don't make it to the classroom, to the children, in teachers' salaries. It goes to support a bloated bureaucracy of union ne'er-do-wells, who have zero accountability. I'm no fan of NCLB, but at least it calls for some accountability.
Take my state, Florida. The union pushed for maximum class sizes of 20, and won a constitutional amendment. They want more teachers, more union dues payers. The costs will be staggering. That money would have been beter spent on merit pay for existing teachers. Folly.
Key: I'll get back on the creationism issue. I am of mixed minds. Must sort my thoughts.
posted by Velociman on September 15, 2005 08:07 PM
That's okay Vman; that twas only a tangent anyway. My main gripe is the fear that the Christianity haters will make it so that the curriculum of the next generation is not only stymied, but turned into swiss cheese. Any religious reference removed, makes for serious gaps in history.
In Literature, the Iliad is cool to study because the gods there are mythical. Right? Meaning, the Bible is off limits because the God who stars that book ISN'T mythical... or because He is?
History or Literature, either way, the Bible should be studied. No indoctrinating the youths, just educating. It can be studied alongside the Koran and the book of Morman, and in my opinion, should. Worship it or not, and believe or not, I think kids should have a working knowledge; the Bible will remain a literary classic, and it will remain on the best seller list. Forever and ever, Amen.
In selecting the curriculum for our youth, how do you ignore that?posted by Key on September 15, 2005 08:36 PM
I will certainly agree that the teaching of comparative religion in high school should be mandatory. Religion, for better or worse, has molded every civilization to date. Ignoring it is like pretending the Bronze Age never happened. Or the Black Death did not wipe out a third of Europe and China in the 14th century.
It also has the added bonus of allowing insight into what impels a particular civilization forward, or backward.posted by Velociman on September 15, 2005 08:54 PM
Velociman--sorry; my reading comprehension has suffered from attempts to trade work and coffee for sleep. I thought you were referring to secularism as the "third, hateful religion." What you meant is clear from your post--I was off in caffeine-zombieland.
There is a danger in merit pay--the school administrations that would define "merit" have a distressing tendency to be deeply stupid. (The typical path to administration is "gym coach=>gym coach that occasionally teaches low-level classes=>administrator with strong views on how calculus should be taught.") If we're going to make teaching a profession, we have to go whole hog--we have to make school administration a proper profession as well.posted by The Polite Liberal on September 15, 2005 11:22 PM
Velociman--I'd agree as well with making comparative religion mandatory. It actually was in 1988 in California, when I was in high school--it was part of the ninth grade curriculum. If it has vanished since, it should be put back. That's something even an atheist like me would agree with.
As for the pledge--what I'd really like to see is a return to the pre-"under God" pledge. That'd put the focus back on patriotism, where it belongs. It'd also restore the original emphasis on the really crucial word: "indivisible."posted by The Polite Liberal on September 15, 2005 11:44 PM
TPL: Right-o on the merit pay. It must be a true performance mannagement process, devoid of cronyism. Not as hard to administer as one might think, but the management (school board) must administer. Not the union. And I also agree on the pre "under God" Pledge. Indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all was all I ever needed to hear. The rest I got in Sunday School (Oops. I skipped a lot. Went to Solomon's Drugstore across the street, and got soda fizzes mostly).posted by Velociman on September 16, 2005 12:11 AM
methinks that Velociman is both RUDE and INSULTING, not greatly but just mediocre. So much for my opinion on his comments!posted by johndeerebilly on September 16, 2005 08:04 AM
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As an argument for abortion. LOL!
I'd like to think that if I were PRO-abortion, I could do better than that. I'll have to remember that one next time I want to snort an eight-ball, burn some magic potpourri, sell my body to the night, engage in a little domestic violence...shit, the possibilities are endless!
"That was a PRIVATE murder!," I will tell the cops, "It is none of YOUR beeswax!"
Having said that, I do not think there is Constitutional support to ban first trimester abortion. Nor is there Constitutional support to ban promiscuity. Nor is there Constitutional support to ban the act of gorging oneself on hot dogs for a stupid eating contest. But it still isn't a good idea.
We can't ban everything that isn't a good idea. The mere suggestion says: We, as a people, have no friggin discipline, we are unable to raise children with discipline, and therefore, all bad things should be banned.
Having said that, second and third trimester abortions will forever remain another story. As I've said before, it is one thing for a woman to insist that a child be removed from her uterus. It is quite another for her to insist that the child be killed on the way out. That is murder. And don't tell me about medical exceptions. Exceptions are not the topic here. We are discussing the rule.
When a child has reached the gestational maturity to live independently of the womb, that child has a Constitutional right to life. Period.
I hereby declare that the rule. The debating can stop now.
(Now can we turn the focus to reducing my taxes?)
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Can't argue with that!posted by zonker on September 14, 2005 07:22 PM
I'm down with Zonk!posted by Sam on September 15, 2005 12:22 AM
Why is it that THIS post received much less commentary than the one about the pledge? Perhaps giving reverence to a cloth with painted lines deserves more time than clump of cells.
I, once again, agree with you on this Key.posted by Dana on September 15, 2005 10:15 AM
Because, Dana, abortion, not Social Security, is the real third rail of politics. And the mens who read this site are not about to wade into that maelstrom. Well, that's MY thought, anyway.
Plus, I think most people agree with Key. And without argumentation, whatcha got?posted by Velociman on September 16, 2005 10:45 PM
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As in the recently in the "recently 29" mini sidebar bio, now represents two years.
Just damn, right?
(Thank you for the voice mail serenade, btw; it shall be saved for all eternity!)
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Happy Birthday?posted by livey on September 12, 2005 07:49 PM
No question about it....Happy Birthday! (Whenever your birthday is.)posted by zonker on September 12, 2005 08:06 PM
Oh yeah...be a trend-setter and use that voicemail of Kelley singing as the first Jawja Blogger Podcast. Come on, do it!!! ;-)posted by zonker on September 12, 2005 08:08 PM
Yeah, it's today, thanks guys. Okay Zonk, you got it buddy, sounds like a plan! Of course... permissions are in order. Oh, and it would probably also help if I were not a complete techtard who has no clue wtf a Podcast is...! ;)posted by Key on September 12, 2005 10:45 PM
A Podcast is how Bodysnatchers impregnate human beings. A young naif like you wouldn't be expected to know that, of course.posted by Velociman on September 13, 2005 12:07 AM
Happy birthday, oh divine Ms M!posted by Light & Dark on September 13, 2005 12:39 AM
Congratulations on surviving another trip around the sun!posted by Jack on September 13, 2005 02:01 AM
You make it look easy. Happy Birthday.posted by Omnibus Driver on September 13, 2005 12:49 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!posted by Sam on September 13, 2005 02:01 PM
happy birthday, beautiful woman...sorry so late...i didn't get out much yesterday...posted by shoe on September 13, 2005 08:05 PM
First off, happy birthday. Second, my profile says 30-something. Wonder how much longer I'll feel compelled to use it after I turn 40 in January. Eeek. I don't think 30 was bad at all in comparison to 39. 30 said...competent professional woman old enough to finally know something and be taken seriously to me. 39 just says old as hell.posted by pillars on September 14, 2005 09:42 AM
Thank you my loverly peeps for all the well wishes; this one wasn't HALF as painful as last year!posted by Key on September 14, 2005 01:36 PM
What a coincidence! I'm 29 plus two, too. Or maybe that's 29 plus too, as in too many to count. Oh well. Belated Happy Birfday, dahlin. Now, on with the spankings.posted by Dash on September 14, 2005 05:32 PM
But you still look 29 so who could tell?posted by Denny on September 14, 2005 10:26 PM
Dash...I promise I'll spank her ass "for you" in Helen.
Bwahahahah!!!posted by Sam on September 15, 2005 12:25 AM
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I used to be a girl. In high school, football meant partay, and nothing more. Even the friggin cheerleaders had to be prompted, so that they weren't chanting "push em back," even as their own team advanced into the red zone.
Now, I am a born again Dawg, cussing the bullshit calls and high-fiving the sweet plays with the buds behind me, whom I just met.
As alumni, we are on the "point" system for tickets. Each point is a dollar, and you must have 20,000 or so to get decent seats. Heh, so maybe my grandchildren will have premo seats.
Meaning... One year later, and I am STILL on row fucking four!
But I am there with 97,000 of my best friends, bonded by a common passion, aware of the additional security, and hoping the terrorists haven't done the math. And yet, grateful that it draws a full house, and that four years later, we are ever mindful, but not compromised.
And so, rather than heavy reflections, my question of the day is as follows: 4th and 1, and you're in a position to go for it. Rushing play the obvious, but you call a time out. Might be changing the play. Right?
They dunno now. So, you come back out, and you run the yard, right?? Right? Or maybe go for an ittybiddy toss? (I love 'em, but that was a helluva time to go long!)
Yes, I know. Don't be sore winner. I'm koo. Especially when, after the game, South Carolina tossed themselves a
pity party grave-side service, complete with a sorrowful rendition (courtesy their own band) of Amazing Grace as the Cock fans made a slow exit.
Oooh, how sweet the sound. Heh. (Ok, I almost felt guilty for taking pleasure in that.)
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"I used to be a girl." yeah, well... I'm the older daughter of a man with no sons... so I got the best of both worlds... Mom taught me how to cook; Dad taught me all about football and cars. While I am quite the female (and clean up pretty darn well, or so I've been told), I'm pretty sure I lost my "chick" card a long, long time ago.
In fact, I was the team mom for my kids' football team because that was the only way I could get on the field. :-Dposted by Beth on September 12, 2005 12:32 AM
reformed here too, gurl...i bet you didn't see my longhorns beat the buckeye's saturday night...it was a heartstopper...we numba two this year!! oh yeah.. football, good times...posted by shoe on September 12, 2005 08:05 AM
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Another waste of time.
And I was just recovering from my Zonk-induced free cell addiction. I had successfully avoided the latter thus far, adopting a prudent distance, given my mother's addiction. All of that discipline, for naught...
(And, this is off topic, but I admit: I HAVE always wondered why they dress slutty.)
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They dress slutty to appease Velocigod. Tis in the contract.
Now, as to Zonker's Timewasters?
I am thus far enured. Once I go there I would be hooked. As Oscar Wilde said, I can resist anything but temptation.
Words to live by.
Zonk will attempt the seduction into mindnumbing gaming again, I am sure. But I resist!!posted by Velocigod on September 9, 2005 11:25 PM
To appease you, you say? Man. I had NO idea the great Velocigod was into cross-dressers...posted by Key on September 10, 2005 10:17 AM
Well, Key, I guess I'll have to dress all slutty next time I send some game URL's his way, huh?
'Sides, Sudoku is a puzzle/logic game so in my mental audits I write it of as a deduction under the "self-improvement" category.
And when you go off-topic, Key....dayum! Quite the intrepid explorer, ain't ya? ;-)posted by zonker on September 10, 2005 10:37 AM
I've been into cross dressers since the first time I wore my mama's brassiere.posted by Velocigod on September 10, 2005 11:48 AM
I gotta get me a cross dresser! We could do each other's makeup, wear each other's clothes....just think of the shopping potential!
Too bad my man's not into it. Or is he?? Maybe he's been holding out on me! Hmmmm.....posted by Dogsdontpurr on September 10, 2005 05:16 PM
Oh great thanks! Now I have a new addiction. Although it took me awhile to figure out, that how am I doing button is cool!posted by livey on September 10, 2005 10:33 PM
Gravatar check!posted by Velociman on September 11, 2005 06:17 PM
How you be checkin' yo Gravatar here? I don't host them. This is a family place.
You gots to be going over to Shoe's pad to be exposing that thang!posted by Key on September 11, 2005 09:28 PM
Sorry. Thought you were pr0n certified.posted by Velociman on September 11, 2005 10:08 PM
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Congrats are in order; two years in blog time are like 14 in real, live, planet earth time!
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.. thanks, sis... just don't make any "spankin' or slappin" noises.. those got me in trouble last time...posted by Eric on September 9, 2005 06:46 PM
Right. Yes... Can't believe I went there. This shall be different. Wasn't there a whip at the last meet?posted by Key on September 9, 2005 08:05 PM
Spank him? Hell, BEAT HIM! I'm all about the John Rosemond School of Child Rearing.posted by Velociman on September 9, 2005 11:27 PM
... I definitely am feeling the love... no, really...posted by Eric on September 10, 2005 08:15 AM
As you should be! I think the Velocidude just went all paternal on yo ass. ;)posted by Key on September 10, 2005 10:14 AM
I want my Eric to be a fine lad. If it takes the lash, it takes the lash.posted by Velociman on September 10, 2005 11:50 AM
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How can I blog on Katrina when I can't think of a single unbitchy way to do it?
Why does it have to be so complicated? So partisan? So myopic? So fucking whiny?
It's really VERY simple. This is what WE get for becoming a squishy-wishy, government dependent people with an inflated, if not false, sense of security.
Think. For. Yourselves.
Live in the flood plain? Love it? Goooood. Insure yo butt, or build on stilts. Be prepared to evacuate at a moment's notice. And have a nestegg saved up. And bottled water.
Don't want to prepare? No prob. Just depend on the government. When has it ever failed you?
Ahhhh, my point. Love your country, but ask not what it can do for you. You have streets, parks and freedom, none of which were built in 48 hours.
We have ourselves. We have each other. We need to know that going in, and hold back (via the good vote) as many tax dollars as possible for privatized charity. Let THEM compete for our dough. They ain't runnin' for office. And they got there first.
When FEMA does arrive on the scene? Well, they can be the gravy. If the federal government is our "meat," we have a problem that is MUCH bigger than this petty ass blame game. Though I'll admit, as long as I AM paying for it, I wouldn't mind a little boogie in their woogie. But you won't see me betting my life on it.
As far as DIRECTING the people on the local level...well, that didn't go so well either. As much as I hate it, only some people think for themselves, and the rest need to be herded. My guess is that the local "shepherds" panicked after realizing that they couldn't simply grease Katrina's palm and make her go away.
Natural disaster happens. Disease happens. It is horrible, but we have really gotten arrogant if we think we are above acts of God. And I used that phrase on purpose. The Maker is not all about rainbows and silver linings. And when He delivers a wake up call, He does not do so with a flip phone.
We are angry, and we are bitter, and we want someone's head to roll! Monday morning quarterback! Brow beat the weary! We all want to...
Or we can mourn our dead. Send relief to the living. Encourage self sufficiency and independent thinking in future generations. Learn. Rebuild.
Personally, I HATE that I am not in a position to take off for a couple of months, go down there, tough it out, help out. And if I weren't nine years into an 18 year commitment, I'd be there.
I braved squalid conditions for a good cause before my daughter was born, and I'll likely do the same when she's off to college. Not because I owe anyone, not because they are entitled, but because they are suffering, children who could not make the call or save the money to evacuate are suffering.
It is our duty to help each other. After all, I believe those of us who survived it without a scratch outnumber the injured and the displaced, I'm guessing as much as a thousand to one. Imagine the possibilities.
Atlanta COULD have done as much as Houston, right? So where does the blame end, really?
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I LOVE this post of yours regarding Katrina. Especially this part..."Or we can mourn our dead. Send relief to the living. Encourage self sufficiency and independent thinking in future generations. Learn. Rebuild." Your blog is always a joy to read...always a first read on my list.posted by Beth on September 7, 2005 09:54 PM
It is our duty to help each other...
You've got that right....
Well said my friend!!!posted by Yabu on September 8, 2005 12:05 AM
Exactly, I couldn't of said it better.posted by BeeBee on September 8, 2005 05:47 AM
wow, key...are we related? i love what you said about the arrogance towards acts of god..i tried to get there, but you did it much better..and yeah, you're right, it's all atlanta's fault..bastards!!posted by shoe on September 8, 2005 08:21 AM
Yea, the whining and finger pointing has to stop. I was going to post on this as well but then decided that everything that can be said has been said, right or wrong.posted by Dishonorable Schoolboy on September 8, 2005 09:55 AM
Well said!posted by Kelly on September 8, 2005 10:07 AM
Fantastic, Key!!!posted by zonker on September 8, 2005 02:02 PM
My sentiments exactly. You hit the nail on the head...
Excellent post, Key. Just dynamic.posted by Dana on September 8, 2005 07:43 PM
Ah, Key, you speak of backbone, spine, spleen. Those characteristics that used to make us uniquely American. And which used to make Europeans envious of us, and yet proud of their offspring child. From de Toqueville to Churchill. Now they are merely jealous, as they have allowed their own cultures to deteriorate, sadly.
We are not the weak. We merely see the weak on display on the idiot box. The true stories of heroism and giving and sacrifice will come out after the zombies are slain. I guarantee.posted by Velociman on September 8, 2005 10:34 PM
I stand in awe!posted by denny on September 8, 2005 11:09 PM
Yes! Key, you make so much sense. Why won't other people see this logic?posted by De on September 9, 2005 04:13 PM
Unique, yet common to the blogosphere . . .
Write something regarding a catastrophe about which you admittedly will do nothing in and of yourself, and the doing nothing is becomes a laudatory act.
Unique.posted by jb on September 10, 2005 03:05 PM
I linked this piece for sun Sep 11
Take a flyin' fuck at a rollin' doughnut JB. Put your "pithy" finger right up your own ass and experience what it feels like for somebody to help you out. Not somebody "else", but somebody.
I agree with Key. There's people in this country that feel and wish they could help the folk, but just can't do it because of other commitments. Hey man, if you don't have any commitments, it's easy to poke fun at those that do.
I'm just sayin', bloggin' 'bout it ain't gonna hurt a damned thing, and wishin' the best for those folks ain't gonna hurt a damend thing. Bein' a country dividin' asshole about it will.
Jesse, and Al, need to step the fuck back... until they want to contribute, and not accuse, or blame. Then, I say to both, bring what you got and let's help these unfortunate folk's out of the shitty mess they're in. We all can bitch about it later.posted by RedNeck on September 11, 2005 07:26 PM
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I don't like running over animals. Nor do I like running over children. But we live in a machine age. You can't help this shit.
By way of saying I ran over an armadillo today. They are pesky creatures, not given to flight. And so I splattered the beast. I pulled over, of course, ready to minister first aid. But this thing was fucked, fragged.
Ever had lobster on the half shell? Like that. Armadillos are pesks, but they're cute little critters. I hated that beat down. Mebbe in my next life I'll be a zoo custodian, or something. I'll still kill the armadillos, though.
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You know, of course, that you're on an armadillo-paced highway to hell. ;)posted by DeAnna on September 4, 2005 12:54 PM
They're only cute at a distance. I've seen 'em up close and personal, walking around - and they is some ugly muthas. Kinda like the bastard offspring of a Lobster-Opossum Fuckfest.posted by Elisson on September 9, 2005 10:13 PM
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Watch out for the Metallic Whale! And the evil green mermaid!
See, I found something else to watch.
Okay, I lied. Fox news is still on. I can't help it. This is unbelievably horrible.
(The other? I watched that last night. Needed something smile inducing.)
I'm out. Have a good Labor Day Weekend, my good peeps.
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National disaster! And cool, they aren't prepared! At all! Now's your chance! Political opp! Off to the races! Let's watch. This'll make or break him!
I think I'm gonna puke.
Hell yes it sucks. But why would everyone not be doing the best that they can?
I have made the decision to contribute to the disaster relief. Not because the victims have earned it; They are not owed, nor entitled. No, I will help out because mother nature bitchslapped them, and for whatever reason, tens of thousands were not prepared financially. And I feel compassion, I fucking hate it for them, and I am an advocate of privatized charity. Therefore, I will be putting my money where my mouth is.
However, I will not be donating until next week, so it's a good thing I won't be running for POTUS. (Reason? I plan to be generous, but I can only give so much, and my church is organizing person to person campaigns in the next few days; I feel my dollar will go further that way.)
Perhaps I should stop watching the news now. Or cut back on caffeine. Or both.
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Key, of course there are political ramifications. This isn't, "wheeee! Bush screwed up! Hooray!", it's, "Holy crap, this is a disaster."
This government has just spent four years in principle preparing for exactly this sort of disaster (if al Quaeda had blown up the levee, the only difference would be that we wouldn't have had a few days warning, and the city would have been completely full instead of 80% evacuated.)
This isn't even a liberal vs. conservative issue. _Everyone_ agrees that this is the sort of problem that the federal government should help with! Those levees were maintained by the Army Corps of Engineers to keep the Mississippi navigable.
We can't all just run down there and bail people out of their attics--we'd clog the highways and block supplies from getting through. We rely on the federal government to organize the response to something on this scale. If they can't, that's a real problem, and it is very specifically the fault of the current administrations of the states involved and of the Federal Government.
Key, we're not accusing them of not doing the best they can. We're deeply afraid that this genuinely is the best they can do.
On this one issue, I'm just about all done with polite.
Key, I admire you. That's what makes life so wonderful, people compassionate towards other people. If I could help out, I would. I'm looking for ways to help in my area, that doesn't require giving money as I don't even have enough for myself. But I have things I can sell to raise money and as soon as I can I will be doing that. Those poor people didn't ask for this and they need the rest of us to help. I like to think if I was in that situation, someone would help me. God Bless you.posted by livey on September 2, 2005 08:38 PM
girl, that's why we love and lurk you..cause you feel, baby..i disagree with the polite liberal and think everyone has lost..nola was a wonderful place..it's people will never be the same..that's not the current administration's fault..they simply can't prevent or react johnny on the spot when the entire infrastructure for several states goes down, even if it was terrorist induced..the political crap is just that..a feeding frenzy, the same o blame game..i think it's all your fault, key..posted by shoe on September 3, 2005 12:25 AM
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